missing complaint? or not made known?

The Sun news 13th April 2006.

It is reported yesterday that, the highest complaints received by our
local complaints department is on Lucky Draws scheme, reported TheSun.

Now where is the percentage for "Direct Selling"? Or it is either clasified as "Recruitment Agencies" or "Others" under the Services???

Domestic Trade and Consumer Affairs Ministry secretary-general Datuk Seri Talaat Hussain said complaints against such schemes and scams accounted for a quarter of the total 6,106 claims on goods and services filed with the Consumer Claims Tribunal last year.

In all, the tribunal received 1,515 claims against operators of such schemes, many of which were dubious.

"Some of the companies are not easy to identify due to the way they operate," he said.

"Some are not registered and even if they are, the contest they organised hinges between legal and illegal.

"And, most of those who have been cheated would not make a report, probably due to embarassment.

"But when there are reports, the tribunal will sit and deliver the necessary judgments."

"Some of the companies are not easy to identify due to the way they operate"
Well, you need to open your eyes wider and bigger Datuk!!...

And, most of those who have been cheated would not make a report, probably due to embarassment.
I do agree with this statement tho..

Now, why I put up this post?
Because I find it so similar to the problems many are facing with DCHL/Lampe Berger. Why not many would want to complaint, and also there are many too who don't even know where to go about..
I've post it up once here "Solutions to Re-Funds" one of the solutions...

There are still many ways to go about with this matter of un-ethical distributors and so forth on DCHL/Lampe Berger. Just like this brochure below..

Notice the numbers on the brochure?
It is the number of the Ministry of Domectic Trade and Consumer Affairs.
To COMPLAINT, call 03 - 4043 6888 or 03 - 4043 7888
TOLL-FREE NUMBER 1-800-886-800
Complaint about wat? What else?!!!

Maybe, they next time they publish another news in the near future, DCHL
will be listed there? haha

I shall let you all ponder on what our government say on Direct Selling or "Jualan Langsung" as well as Pyramid... pictures below..

Lampe Berger - Good,Bad,Ugly

Recently, saw 2 friends, both still a distributor in Lampe Berger.
One of them is challenging Marquis. Means, currently at the position of
Count and garnering sales to earn himself a Marquis position.
We talked abit, asking how each of us is doing.

We were once in the same team, but when things turn ugly=MONEY..
The big team split into two... it is a long story.. but to cut things short...
Once you let money carry you away, it will turn really ugly even for the
bestest friend of whom you are with will end.

He brought up the matter of the 2 team, we were both separated in 2 teams.
I told him, it is because of an un-ethical upline I have, I decided to stop.
Not because it can't be done, just NO WAY to un-ethical upline.
In a way, just me pursuing what I like to do in my career in life...

Well, he is not that pushy kind of person when I knew him last time.
Very energetic, and well mannered person, both of them. Maybe their
success is paying off because of their good deeds. Maybe.. who knows..

Talking about good deeds, anonymous reader pointed me to these two pics..

Well, I've known that Steven Yeam donated RM 100,000 to the Monfort
Boys Town expansion project even before it came to the news. That is a good
thing to do. I wonder how many Distributors are following his footstep.

What's more ugly is, even with his success, he fail to educate his people to be
a good ethical distributor and maintain an integrity in the business.

Even worst, with problems arising, he takes no concern at all, to solve it.
I would say, he is only success on the outside, but internally, he is not...
"Money" in DCHL/Lampe Berger makes one prevent each other to climb
in ranks... thus jeapordizing their friendship in the business... why?

I've seen it with my own eyes, and it just sucks..

Personally, I do respect Steven Yeam in person, just that, matters like this
that arises, it not dealt profesionally..

I do agree, that there are people who are making this whole "business" as
a living and I do wish them luck. What we here ask those successful ones
is to get rid of those bad apples in there.. that's all we ask.. justice to those
were once "cheated" by their un-ethical uplines, because the up-lines
wants to make quick buck by pulling more people in and thats all...

Lampe Berger's topic has been hot this few years and it is getting hotter.
Why they are so different from many other Direct Selling companies?
Why are some distributors are neglecting the DSAM Code of Conducts,
which is endorsed by Ministry of Domestic Trade and Consumer Affairs.

There are even comments that MLM is Spoiled and Soiled.
Shall we draw our conclusion now? or shall we wait for the Ministry's Action
which we all know that will never come...?

Have we now a better understanding of LB yet? Guess not.. There are more..

LB Help, will not rest its blog, untill, there is no more matters of re-fund
or un-ethical distributors are heard..

People Con People for $$$.. ur say..

Ah Wai recently commented on most of our topics. A mere SPAM!
But, funny thing is, it is neither constructive nor understandable..
Maybe understandable at one point, Ah Wai is overshadowed with greed.

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Hello Everyone!!!,

I'm Ah Wai from MLM. Such a nice post from all of you :)

I admit sometimes the MLMers always use this kind of tactic of luring "potential" people into their business. Eg. N-stream, Synergy, Herbalife, Lampeberger, Amway, Diamond, eCosway, IMagic, NuSkin, CNI and etc.

I'm also ex-anti MLMer just like you all. Proud to be antiMLMers. "MLM is conbusiness" and "StudioTraffic is PONZI SCHEME!" Hehehe... :)

But, AT LAST i realise in this World of Events..."Capitalism"

EITHER YOU CON PEOPLE OR PEOPLE CON YOU...you choose!

Sami Vellu, politicians, MPSJ, MPPJ, MBI, dato, datuks, Thaksin, Arroyo, Suharto, *me* and etc also CONNING people $$$ only what...

I only take little con $$$ while the *people mentioned above* CON the "rakyat" & taxpayer's $$$ BIG TIME! SO what is the FUSS?

I con my lecturer before, i cheat on my exam before, i Ponteng class before, i cheated during SNOOKER, i cheated my fren before, hell i even con my GF before. Hahaha. What is the BIG FUSS?

As i say, EITHER YOU CON PEOPLE or PEOPLE CON YOU...Its a survival skill!

Its better for us, "the little guy with no $$$" to con little $$$, than "the BIG SHOT GOVERNMENT officials" to con the rakyat $$$.

RIght?

I'm DAMN sure the GOvernment DOn't MIND this little $$$ one.

AIyah, we group together as a group of "hardcore anti-lampeberger", then we charge those people who is also "anti-lampeberger" RM 100 each. Then, we also make LOTS of $$$.

Simple calculation,

RM 100 x 10,000 member (ANTI-LAMPEBERGER) = RM 1,000,000!!!!

Then, we BUY Ferrari and BMW to drive to Menara HLA, park at the FRONT and BURN them. This we show that we also can make $$$ ma!!!

DAMN good IDEA...!!!

WE group together ok...WE KEEP in touch! Malaysia BOLEH!

Remember, my name is AH Wai from SYN DCHL Lampeberger :)
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Ah Wai, your comment has showed us why we Malaysians can't even go
further, and why success can only be found in MLM for some people.

You potrayed that "EITHER YOU CON PEOPLE or PEOPLE CON YOU" is rather disturbing. The country or the world will be much better with people thinking like you are lesser.

What becomes of our Malaysian Government today is mainly because there are people like you in the system. Sad to say but true.

To con people is a person's will, and you have chose to follow that path, and that is the sad. People are greedy and you for example are one of them. But are you willing to change?

Our government are not willing to change regardless of how many complaints there is. But, if there is a chance for you to change, WILL YOU? Guess not..

Surviving in this "Capitalization" world you said, is not about conning other people. It is how you adapt to it, and how you work the smart way and in an ETHICAL manner.

For you Ah Wai, you are just one of the un-ethical, spoilt apple in the system
of DCHL/Steven Yeam Network.

And the earning money system you simply proposed. Doesn't work for us.
Thanks but NO THANKS.

I leave others to comment on your above comments/SPAM on this blog.

Lampe Berger Issue all around...

Lampe Berger Issue is everywhere, even whem I met two of my friends today separately in different time. The issue brought up was the same problem just like how this person below e-mail in to voice out. But, there are more than the issue of re-fund itself, which we here in LB Help will focus abit rather than the un-ethical uplines problems. Here goes the mail..

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Dear Steven & LB Help,

After seeing all your blogs and Brand Malaysia blog, I think it is something that we should bring to the attention of the weaker mind of what this LB is all about. I attach below a story of LB which surrounds my friends and I since the LB things began spreading. I would appreciate if you keep my name anonymous. LB Help: Will do.

The story goes like this...

A friend of mine,AK joined Lampe Berger after some approach from another
friend of ours. AK borrowed some money (heard it's a 4 figure amount) from his girlfriend to invest in LB, even with his study loan unpaid. It's been almost 2 years since he joined. All our friends that I come across had been approached by him to join LB and seen him like a repellant.

Another friend, KV who was persuaded by him to joined, regretted. He told me that he felt he was conned by his best friend (AK) to fork out money using his mum's hard earn RM2,345. Since then, KV got less than half of his money back, quitted LB, hated and doesn't talk to AK since.

Recently, AK's girlfriend, CS of 5 years who lives together with him suddenly decided to leave KL and go work in Singapore, not breaking up with him but just to work there for more pay. We (AK's friends) were puzzled. Hence we approached her on her decision.

It was a sad story. She explained to us that since AK stopped his permanent job and joined LB full-time since 2 years ago, she is the only person that is the primary breadwinner. She has to pay for the rent of the apartment and most expenses at home. All AK could earn is from the freelance job that he do once or twice in a month.

CS who earns RM3,000 a month wasn't able to save any money from this salary considering that she still have a car installment to pay every month. Hence, 6 months ago she started looking for other company that would be able to offer her more somewhere in KL. She found a better offer. Best of all, she request and got the offer for AK to become a Junior Photographer, a higher ranking and higher pay in the same company. AK rejected the offer even without thinking.

CS was disappointed. Hence she job hunt for work in Singapore and got other offers. We also heard from CS that the money she borrow AK to invest in LB was her savings for their future home. She doesn't mind if AK would want to pursue his dream to get rich through LB. But AK wouldn't even want to at least contribute to their small living by accepting a permanent job that knock on his door.

When AK as CS on her reason to work in Singapore, CS would just say, "Can you afford a life right now?" It's not that CS is a big spender or anything. She's the most understanding and thrifty girl I've met. She never expected AK to return the money he borrowed or give her a good life, but just a normal life that they used to have even when he have to work 18 hours a day, with enough money to eat, watch movie and occasionally buy some stuff.

When we asked AK how does he feel since CS has to go, his reply was, "I'm going to put all my time in LB so that I can start to earn 4 figures and pick her back from Singapore next year".

Little does he know, CS decision to leave was a hard one for her because it's also the first step of their breaking up process as she had told us...


A lesson to all out there who is interested to join LB. Yes, there are people who gain and got wealthy because of it, but how many are there who got rich compare to those who joined and never got rich? Yes, they can drive a BMer, but do you think they still can pay for the installment 3 or 5 years down the road by using the money they earn in LB? If you come from a rich family, it is alright to get burnt with RM30k. But if you are not from a rich family, don't ever think of joining LB thinking that it is a "Get Rich Quick" scheme. Nothing comes easy in the world. Nothing comes free. You will end up with even more debt in the end.

If you think that by spending RM30k to join LB with your own hard earn money and lose it, then it's your own problem. But if you have to borrow RM30k to join LB, then you must think of your social responsibilities to your friends and family.

p/s: Pardon me for having to keep all the name anonymous. Afterall, it's other people's family problem, we are not fit to critic but only to bring the sense to others out there.

LB Help: As promised
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Look how such problem can ruin a good relationship and I remember someone asking when is the last time anyone buys a gift to their love ones.

It is all in a man's ego. Agrees?

Meet Up Session

This weekend 9th April 2006.

For more details,

Please e-mail

lampebergerhelp@gmail.com

or

antiLampeBerger@yahoo.com


Thanks.

Let the game begins...

Mack Zulkifli, one of Malaysia's known blogger made a post on Lampe Berger.

In his blog, "Lampe Berger: A catastrophe in the maing?" talked about
how a mother face a daugther who turns ugly when she(the daugther) is not
granted a loan of RM30k to put into the business of DCHL/Lampe Berger.

Quoting from his blog what the mother told him,

"She went into vivid details about how her daughter had pestered the family for RM30k, and after a huge fight, left the house fuming, claiming that she will be a prostitute to earn the money, and after that will be 'richer than papa' and return home to spit on their faces."

Now, this is really a troubled one.
How can she do that?
I mean, what makes the daughter reacts like this to the mother?
Certainly, we are not blaming Lampe Berger.
Maybe the "money" that she sees in Lampe Berger motivates her to act like
that to her parents?
Maybe the soon to be upline question the support of her parents?

It is sad to hear that there are still many casses going on. Also on another
topic by Mack, "Lampe Berger/SYN:Calls for investigation pours in"
This post is a good read where Adrian Oh, one reader posted his case
of how his brother is being pulled into this scheme.

Mack's blog has ganer an interest of broadcast and print media to get
more information of this matter. Lampe Berger Help will do our part
in supporting all the infos needed by the media.

There are also blogs sprouting up to feature this piece of news.
Eathinc in his podcast saying that his father actually called up the Ministry
of Consumer Affair to complain. Am sure more will do the same.

More links to read...
Suanie: of lampe berger and mlm
Suanie blogs about her conversation with her friend who is a distributor
of Lampe Berger and does the business base on selling not recruiting.
Wonderful!.. Now we know that there are a handful ethical ones there.

Autoworld Forum
For your reading pleasure :)

Scorkes: Why Lampe Berger is spelt S-C-A-M
Was confronted and shown the plan of Lampe Berger and walk off
when she found something amiss..

So? What's next?
Let the game begins!! We shall see in no time, it will be all over the
news, both print and broadcast...

Our e-mail is lampebergerhelp@blogspot.com give us a mail :)

No Solid Foudation of Business...

One poor soul joined DCHL/Lampe Berger after much persuasion from
his friend. Was told that investment can be returned even if he is just
a "Franchise" status. Now he regrets his for believing his friend.
He just wasted RM 2345, hopefully, not his friendship too...

Mail received on 3rd April 2006, 3:47pm
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I joined LB after 4 months of persuation from my friend. He told me that
there is 90% refund even if i am just a franchisee, and he also paid the
money for me first to join. At first, he never tell me about investing 30k to
be a count. By the way, i am under syn network. in the group, everybody
was asking me when i wanna invest 30k, go and borrow or what lah.

I think they have used the wrong technique in doing this network marketing.
They only want to be rich fast, drive bmw, etc. but at the end of the days, all
are dead. So many people returned their stocks of which they invested in
count level. I also heard that marquise for the past 3 years are no longer now.
Get rich fast and also die fast. To me, this is a no no. There is no solid
foundation of the business at all.

All the young people with no business experience wanna get rich fast and
show off. I on the other hand waster rm2345. really regret.. regret...

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True business minded people with true business background would
see that there is totally no business foundation at all in DCHL.
Yes true, they are running a direct selling company where everyone
is a distributor. But the meaning of "Distributor" is being exploited as
"recruiter". So, you call that selling? or recruiting? in DCHL/Lampe Berger

Real solid business is where there is a transaction in items and cash value.
That is not seen in DCHL/Lampe Berger because the transaction is a mere
purchase of stock to be part of the distributor of the company. Not an
interest to purchase the items.

Anyone wants to add something?

Tremendous Readership & Comments Moderation

We have been receiving a great readership. Counters has pass 2000 readers..

Just look at the counter below and you can see that we gets readers
from all over the world. Countries that got nothing to do with DCHL nor LB.

Thanks for the support and we hope this website, does help in understanding
the nature of business DCHL is running, and things are not told in DCHL.

Comments moderation has been taken off, to ease our job.

No vulgarities and offensive words towards others.
Please..be matured in postings is all that we are asking..

Thanks again everyone..

Response from an Observer

It will be a very long post. But worth reading. Thanks to Calvin..
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To: Lampe Berge Help

Well, it seems that  is getting to know some of the aggressive people. Apart
from these attacks I adore your courage. Malaysia does indeed need
people like you. People have the right to know each and every aspect before
they act.

A piece of advice for those that bad experiences from Lampe Berger,
please be strong when facing false accusation. Personal attacks are
always committed by those who don't have any proof to backing up them.

For "Anonymous": (refer to 26/3/06 5:32 PM, "Anonymous")
Please proof things that you said, rather than bashing people feelings
with nonsense accusation. Don't simply say someone is envy from
other's wealth, because generally people are not being brained washed
into materialistic drones, where every things has to be associated
with money. One of my friends currently is so into Lampe thingy, until
she preys on one of my friend who intended to continue his study. Some
people are born to be sales, and some of them are not. In addition,
don't use lies cover up, because when they found out that they been
scammed by their own best friend, the backfire due to the lies is
unbearable.

I have been studying MLM for a long time, viewing from pros/cons
perspective, the varieties. So far Lampe Berger is one of a kind,
where they 100% exploit the weakness of the MLM by morphing the
original idea into a pyramid scam. One may ask why so many highly
educated person would ever consider being a part of this scam? Most of
the time not because they saw the true value of this business, on the
other hand, they were being introduced by lies, as "garbage in garbage
out" terminology shows that feed with false information people will
have to make mistakes. Whether he is a professor, an engineer or even
a doctor, being at that status doesn't mean he comprise both knowledge
and wisdom.

The ability to separate truth from lies is from their wisdom,
regardless how high their knowledge can be.
I indeed had been introduced into several MLM; half of what I'd been
told was a complete and utter lie. The other half was a conveniently
constructed lie. And the truths lie within the lies. I think you might
respond me by saying people doesn't need to know negativities and
claming me being a sociopath or what ever your creativity can come
out.  I can assure you that all my claims are from all my
observations, none of them were made up.

(1) The way that MLM people contact, there are even seminar teaching
them withhold certain details during conversation just to lure
people's interest.

(2) The perspective changes, I do believe a lot of MLM people are
started in a ethical manner, but sooner or later their moral being
eroded until once was seen as false now being true. These types of
people are the ones that are most likely being broke and leaving this
business without any surviving skills. What they have is a false dream
that will never be true.

(3) The Millionaire smokescreen, just like a carrot on a stick hanging
in front a bunny. Money is always around the corner, and as always
people always have subjected into environment that gets your emotion
so High until all the facts doesn't seems to matter. And this is what
professional refer as Brain Wash.

Addition to that is market saturation, if population continuingly
growing in an exponential way theoretically MLM might be the ultimate
utopia for all of us. But in reality, population is limited by resources,
culture and location. So, when the market approaches the verge of
saturation, someone is doomedto be the lowest level (hopefully it
won't be you, but then again, I will certainly be someone you introduced).
But wait!
What is so good in Lampe Berger is the fact that people can
"Invest" RM 30,000 to get a higher rank.
Wow! Isn't that great? Nope! By definition of MLM this short cut is the
thing that labeled it as an illegal scheme.
Okay, let's omit the illegal problem and concentrate on the fact you bought
the position by using 30 grand, it would seems that you achieved the
position that you dreamed for. But the way that this business really
works is that you built a network, a network large enough that
everyone's money being funnel into your pocket. With a short cut like
that, it just gave the upline the opportunity to spreading false
success for luring others "Potential" person into the system. What do
you get? I think the opportunity of being scammed?

In fact, if you still reading up until now, I guess you might say, if
Lampe Berger is really that terrible why it is still being around and
still growing? With all the Motivational activities that alter a
person's minds it create a society that depends on it keeping the
money flow thus the kingpins gain more and more, and showing off their
wealth to cloud the minds of innocent people. These innocent people
started this business ethically (whereas being scammed unknowingly),
in an obscure way these innocent group consuming their creditability
backing up the organization giving it an artificial credit. Hence,
among mlm's believes it is a great business.

You might even say, a person tends to believe what he wants. In a
strange way, I do agree. I don't believe Lampe Berger operating under
MLM structure + Motivating is ethical. Anyway, a lot of things are not
ethical as far as I know, but they still exist around us, such as
prostitute.  Don't you think they might ask you the same question that
many of you asked me? "If we are so harmful, why do we still exist?"
Do they? Or it is the people are to blame? I think we can't have a
world that is purely good or purely evil; it is always falls in
between.

This blog was created based on reporting the facts, never once I saw
any personal attack were made by the author of the blog. He is just
merely raising the concerns and hopefully people will have a better
idea on what is going on.

Hope you all the best!

Cheers,
Calvin
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We sent our regards to Calvin, telling him we will feature his
mail to us. His generous reply was prompt..
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Hi,

It's okay, I bet your email are swamped with a lot of mail, indeed I'm
more in the position as an observer than someone related being in
there. One of my many encounters with MLM the most unforgettable
experiences is my so call best friend start to stereotype me and
discrediting me behind my back. Who are they to judge me if me don't
find it interested in Lamps? Who are they so claim it works for
sensitive nose when the very thing that makes my nose stuffy is their
lamp's scent? I'm not saying they are bad person. But it is really bad
to stereotype people for their perspective?

I think the root of all evil is the Motivational System exist parallel
with the Direct Sales, because it is only makes sense to a person to
join such pyramid gimmick when their clouded by these deceptive
person. When freshly entered person was fully brainwashed, they expect
everyone to listen to them, but when we raise our concern. Wholla~ You
have just got yourself into a "Bad For Business" list.

Business is run base upon rational analysis, not totally day dreaming
every time meeting was held. Hmmm… "When dreams are big enough, the
fact doesn't matter" – according to a lot of MLM people.

Anyway, I think I might write something once in a while. Hope I can
entertain the audiences and brought some attention to the public. And
hopefully MLM distributor will be getting less ignorant.

Cheers,
Calvin
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Calvin, till today, we've not even receive a single e-mail of hatred
towards us from any of the distributors of DCHL/Lampe Berger.
Most of it were words of encouragements and words of thanks
and question on how about they suppose to go through the
process of re-fund and so forth.

But we here at LB Help wants to thank all our loyal readers again..
Do spread the words.. It is a great e-mail Calvin... :)

Dear reader James,

First of all, thanks for being one of our loyal reader to this blog.

But after reading for a while and we guess you might be in a lost of the
real idea why this blog is started. You've been posting many comments in
most of the topics in this blog. Good. Thanks.

Let me track back your comments

Here in Culture Shock in Lampe Berger and Lampe Berger Re-Fund Case

You've made quite an amount of comment in these two topics, primarily.

Please let one of our reader response to you instead, we responded enough.

From boney, comment posted in Culture Shock in Lampe Berger.

believe me.. this shows the power of LB, where the education system is
so strong till our dear james kept on repeating the same stuffs from the
courses we attend.

dear james : as what was told for many times, we are not blaming other
people if we dun succeed in this business. we are not blaming the plan as
the main reason y we cant succeed as well. i pointed out the fact that in
order to get the overidding we gotta put in more money, and that is the
fact. its just either u buy the products urself or to sell them to other ppl
to accumulate the points. a lot of ppl ignored that juz as what u said, if that
fella can earn 5K per month the 2500PV he give or not? sure give right?
coz its affordable for him (as i was told for endless time by uplines also :)

i shall say there is an error in my previous posting, the marquis should be
counts, as marquis still has the 3% overidding to all the count groups. so as
a count who is not a marquis yet, wont u think its quite a burden to throw
in money? i mean if they do not have active franchisee or baron. i was not
assuming anything but thats what was happening to the counts ard me.

they gave up the overidding coz they dun think its worth to get it by giving
out 2500PV by themselves. this fact was pointed out to create an awareness,
as many counts will do this business full-time without having other income
which made some of them struggling.

believe me or not, i was in this business for almost 2 years, until now after
i quit, i've never blame any of my uplines, coz they really helped me a lot
but things juz didnt turn out that well. so i always say i was glad to be in
taiwan line.

u must understand the main reason why this blog was created at first,
before keep on repeating the same points that wont make any difference.
if ur happy to be in LB i congrate u with sincere heart coz its a good thing if
u can get what u wan there. but there are still lots more ppl whom dun even
understand how the plan actually works but already bang their head into it,
and ended up with failure. this is to give them a clearer picture.
we never say LB cannot do, same as what u said its just the ppl's problem
and i agree with u. but cant deny that there are also some loop holes in the
plan itself, wether u notice or not.

why are we spending so much time here to tell so many stories? we've got
nothing else better to do? we juz dun wanna see there will be more people
end up with nothing, thats y we care n tell.

thanks for reading.

i already post and clarify until geram dy... as i dun have so much patience
as our dearest lampe berger help. Amen.

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So, does this clears up alot on what's the purpose of this site?
As well as, what is really happening in around DCHL itself?

Please read it as it is as a testimony. We are not speculating what is
happening in there. We are not just mere saying, but we are giving you
the right FACTS!. Facts which will help others to realize something they
don't and facts to make change (just mere hope).

And James, we are not asking you to "shut-up". Please don't intepret us
wrongly. We want to clarify things once and for all.. Your readership is
greatly appreciated.

Voila! Reply from France!!

Hehe.. for the amount of time to wait..just to show you all this

It is a reply from the e-mail that we sent out on 21st March 2006.

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Dear Sir,

We read with a lot of attention your e-mail and we confirm
the company DIGITAL CRONW HOLDINGS LTD (DCHL)is our
exclusive distributor especially in Malaysia. We are very
sorry about this trouble and we inform you that we are
going to send your claim directly to the
President of DCHL ; Mr Kim Huynh, in order to avoid
any failure in the sales system.

Many thanks for the kind interest you have in our brand.

Yours faithfully,

Export dpt

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Now, it is going direct to President of DCHL. Wow...
Well, it is going where we expected it to go. TOP MANAGEMENT!...
It is time someone go about and do something about it...

Let us just hope that, something would be done about it..

But, we replied to the e-mail with these,
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Dear Sir,

I would like to first express my gratitude of thanks, for the prompt reply.

I've already seen this matter with my up line and already made my same
statement to the company, in which they are looking into the matter now.

But I would like to stress that, in Malaysia, there are many troubled
matters in which parents are worried over their children who asked for
a lump-sum of money to "invest" in this business.

It is with constant persuasion from certain up line towards their down
line that made new distributors jump on the gun to invest a hefty amount
of RM 30,000.

Some of which these monies are borrowed from friends and family.
Then matters of re-fund arises, and thus new distributors are stuck
with their "investment".

My honor to you Mr. Kim, that you would express my this little thought
towards Mr. Steven Yeam, the leader of SYN that distributors should be
taught that there must be a calculated risk in investing such an amount of
money. Not just simply putting in, because of wanting to earn more.
This is what most of the distributors fails to learn.

DCHL as well as Lampe Berger would be better off without un-ethical
distributors.

Thanks and Best Regards,
___________________________________________________

Solution to Re-Funds

We did some calling yesterday,

First, was to Direct Sales Association of Malaysia (DSAM)
Second, was to RZ Corporation aka DCHL aka Lampe Berger office.

We found out many great things, and indeed we are dumbfounded by
how ignorant can the company itself, RZ Corporation, not knowing
that matters about un-ethical distributors are just around them.

The first call was to Lilian of DSAM. We talked abit and we found out
that it is not only us calling in to lodge a complaint. To sum up,

1) There has been parents calling in because of their children got
involve with Lampe Berger and started borrowing money from them.
Most of the calls asked about legality of Lampe Berger aka DCHL.

2) RZ Corporation/DCHL is not even under the roof of DSAM where most
direct sales companies are.
Even Bel Air, their competitor is in it. Look for OHK Associates Sdn Bhd.

3) DSAM has already submitted an enquiry towards the ministry to
look into this matter and is now waiting for reply.

Now, DSAM can't do much towards DCHL/RZ Corporation because
they are not under their roof and thus many considerations should be
taken into because either would either sue each other for defamatry.

All DSAM can do is just voice out to the Ministry and let the ministry
take action, which we doubt they would, in a hast manner.

Next call was to Alvin, the supervisor of RZ Corporation.

He was shock when told it is not only one person who faces the matters
between our upline. He was like "Huh.. sure or not...?^?"
Well, we are suprised he don't know much...

Solutions to those whose money is being stranded between you and your
upline is to write in a letter. Yes, WRITE IN A LETTER TO

RZ Corporation
Level 1, Menara HLA,
No. 3 Jalan Kia Peng,
50450 Kuala Lumpur.

What to write?

You must state clearly,
1) What are the dispute between you and your upline.
2) What are the promises made by your upline but then
never held.
3) Is your upline pushing you to borrow money from everywhere
to push up for the count level? (This is truly against their rule)
4) How long has you been with the company and when did you join.
5) What are the stocks you are holding.
(Bear in mind signature lampes can't be re-funded)
6) Other matters you think is related..

Please bear in mind that you SHOULD ONLY write in, ONLY IF you are
facing a dispute over the matter of re-fund between you and your upline.

Should he/she refuses to re-fund and hold on to your stock or tries
to avoid talking to you into re-funding, then you SHOULD write in.

We are planning a batch write in to DCHL, to make an impact.
Send your request thru our e-mail for our address, and we will compile
your letter and send to DCHL.

Mail to lampebergerhelp@gmail.com

Personally, here, am gonna write a one nice piece of my mind
in that letter...

Jealousy and Envy? Stealing Dreams?

I've received a comment..

At 26/3/06 5:32 PM, Anonymous said...

"Malaysians are bored, senseless idiots with nothing to do. This is y this blog
is here. Its all bout jealousy and envy of other ppls wealth.
'Lampe berger help', yeah u r helping, thats true. U r helping to steal others'
dreams. Cuz u r a dreamless, conservative no brainer who simply has a
good command of english and has nothing to do."

______________________________________________________

Let us tell you.. you are WRONG..

Are you not a Malaysian? Tell us where do you come from,
Mr. Anonymous...

Idiots with nothing to do!? Come on...
It is more to standing up against the un-ethical distributors of DCHL.

Stealing other's dream!? Oh please...
It is more to bringing back the dreams of those whom the un-ethical
DCHL distributors stole away.

AND.. at least, the good command of english is put to good use.
Bringing and upholding justice against DCHL un-ethical distributors
are our dream.. part of..

Good Day..

Direct Selling & Malaysia

Malaysia has its own in-house association named Direct Selling Association
of Malaysia (DSAM) to help promote direct selling on a national and
international level. In their website, there are quite a number of
informations that one can obtain. All about direct selling of course.

Shall I give some links to some important informations

- Direct Selling Act 1993 (DSA93)
- Direct Selling Association of Malaysia (DSAM)- Code of Conduct
- Consumer Protection Act 1999 (CPA99)

First thing first, before we get involve in anything-direct selling. We all
should be well educated on the rules adhered to and which the companies
are bound to. Thus, if we are in any time found violated or being violated
of any of the rules which either we or the company is bound to, we can
thus submit a claim for tribunal act.

A talk held during the Direct Selling Convention & Exhibition 2006
is on Local Regulations. It is about "who is being protected?" and how well
the consumers are being protected by the legislation. Senior executives
shares their experiences and opinion towards this and gave an industry
perspective towards the DSA93.

The direct selling industry is so much being regulated by all the acts
and legislations but when matters of un-ethical distributors are not
tackled in a hast manner. It is so much like the "cakap tak serupa bikin"
people that we see and listen to everyday in the news.

I think there should be a place for people to voice out their discontent
against companies whom are not following the regulations they are
adhered to. Local authorities can handle complaints that much and
please don't talk about local newspaper, as they are being "regulated"
as well. Everything is being regulated.. So where should be go?

Well, maybe we can try KPDN & HEP and give them our shoutouts.
Kementerian Perdagangan Dalam Negeri & Hal Ehwal Pengguna.

Direct Selling industry in Malaysia is predicted to hit sales above
RM 6 billion this year in 2006 as reported by Kevin Tan, The Edge.


"The direct-selling industry is expected to grow by at least 3.5% to above
RM6 billion this year from an estimated RM5.8 billion in 2005 with more
companies setting up operations here, Domestic Trade and Consumer
Affairs deputy minister Datuk S Veerasingam said." (more)

And about regulations and regulating the direct selling industry,

"On regulating the industry, Veerasingam said his ministry had acted on
65 out of 128 complaints and a total of RM68,000 in fines had been
imposed on companies which violated the Direct Sale Act 1993."

Let us not take Veerasingam's words seriously this early yet...

Please do read up on the acts above and understand them, as they
are there to protect us-consumers.

Consumer Protection Act, 1999

I've been communicating with DAP Parliament Rep
Mr. Teng Chang Khim. I asked him where should I go
about with the problems we as distributors face.

His reply was :
_____________________________________________________
Dear LB Help,

Thank you for your mail and comment on my blog.

As to your problem, if the amount involved is less than RM10,000.00 for
each of your cases, you may try to claim through Consumer Tribunal.
Get a copy of the Consumer Protection Act, 1999 and follow the procedure
provided. However, if your claim sum is more that Rm10,000.00, you may
have to engage a lawyer to pursue the matter.

Regards,

CK Teng
_____________________________________________________

So.. I would say go and get yourself a Consumer Protection Act, 1999.
Read it up and know your rights..
We are known as consumers once we buy anything.. No matter what.
And upon purchasing anything, we are bound with the Act..

I myself went to purchase the Federal Constitution Act.
Well, I'm yet to find Consumer Protection Act, 1999 in the MPH near me.

The convention has started and well, let's say, hopefully I can find time
to go during the weekend to see what is it all about..

A lost girl lost her money...

I've stumbled upon a blog, Jerry's Alter Ego.

There is a mail actively being circulated via e-mail since November 2005.

It is about a girl who was found missing and thus later found.

Jerry tried calling the number in his e-mail and ask if everything is okay.
But, the girl in the e-mail, Miss Lee is back in school now and enjoying
her life as a normal 19-year old.

Absurbs from the e-mail..

"Forwarded:
Attached is the photo of our friend Lee Choon Heng’s daughter, she
has not come home since she left home on Saturday morning
(19th. Nov). Her last contact with her mother (Linda) was at about
6 something that evening via mobile phone. She confirmed over the
phone that she was about to come home to join the family for her
mother birthday dinner.

She was last seen with a young DARK Chinese man in the coffee
shop on that Saturday morning. She has just joined Lampe Berger
( direct sales ) about 10 days and we believe that she has been
actively involved in this direct sales activities since then.

A police report has been lodged on Sunday noon and there is still no
news until now. Please contact me or Choon Heng directly if there
is any help you can offer.

Many thanks in advance

P/S: Her news also appear in various newspapers today."

Oh well... everyday there is something new..
When will it come to an end..

Direct Selling Convention & Exhibition 2006

GO AND VISIT THEM AND SEE IT FOR YOURSELF...

SEEING IS BELIEVING..

I might go and see what's on Malaysia's Direct Selling inventory..

Anyone wants to join me? Mail me..

Another Forum.. SgForum

I've recently stumbled on another forum.

This forum is called SgForum. A singapore based forum.

On-par with our LowYat.net

On this particular forum of MLM on Sg Forum, I've been reading
quite good topics on MLM itself.
The companies available in Singapore and so forth.

I've even found a thread on Lampe Berger on SgForum.

Click on the links to find out more...

Another Blog ?

Well, I might have spark the up-rooting of new blogs...

Don't flame me!..

It is each and everyone's personal will to start their own blog..

and I would further say that THIS IS A FREE NATION..

Freedom of speech is a must available..

I pretty much like what is being stated in this blog

Anti Lampe Berger

Covered pretty much on Lampe Berger in general..

But, it is more to against the company :)

Good job in creating the site Mr. X.. you know who you are .. :)

Grabbing what they can...

I've received another mail today at 3/16/2006 7:10 PM from a guy.

It seems his brother has joined and well, and his brother's up-line
seems to be dragging his family in too... Read on..
_________________________________________________

Hi

Great site, I really wish this lampe berger will be delisted from
Malaysian companies.

My brother just recently joined, paid RM 2345. Of course as a bro,
I am pissed, but I say,..well he’s naïve…seems like trusting those guys

Who drive big cars, and show off….anyway, I think that’s the end
of my trouble…but no…those buggers upline still want to drag my
rest of the family into it..

Isnt’ it obvious…they have outsize the network….the suckers who joined
above just need to get people lower. My dad just retired, and of course
got KWSP money…

Luckily my dad and mom are still sensible enuff, to understand that 30k
is not a little sum of money….

This is not just a scam, it’s destroying our young people minds too…

To take action against these people will be the best course…
Maybe raise a complaint with Pengguna…or sth like that.

Steven Yip
_________________________________________________

What made this person so angry towards Lampe Berger?
Did Lampe Berger did something wrong to him...
We never know.. To my view, it must be how they (LB) peeps talk
people into the business... I shall not speculate further but more facts later..

Steven also asked me to send an e-mail to the HQ of Lampe Berger.
Hmm... why not? Will try this method later.

Please leave comments.
I'm too tired of all this already...