Students, The Easy Target!

Who couldn't agree more that mostly those who fall for these kinda "business" are students? They just graduated, they are somewhat less likely to work in Malaysia, due to all those comments on how bad their first job would be and how bad their salary would also be. Given that situation, who wouldn't in their fickle mind want to earn big money with a "Franchise Business" which would one day bring them at the helm of wealth and prosperity and also with a large network that will help build them in the industry?

Who wouldn't eh?

Students are the most easy target due to that particular reason and it is also why most
of the e-mails I get are from students who fall into the "unethical" promise of business
earnings. This is what Lampe Berger, RZ Corporation and Steven Yeam Network will
promise you when you join their "business" network. Not so easy in the beginning but
you will end up raking the riches.

Which in return, a mere recruiting process other than selling. This is not "franchising"!
This is GIMMICKING the franchise model!

Ms. Chong sent me this e-mail seeking help earlier this month.

Hello!! I'm glad I've found this site. I'm 20yrs old, currently a college student, I managed to make a few friends from DCHL 2 months ago. It wasnt until few weeks before that one of my friend brought me to her "company". I was so surprised cuz I thought she was working somewhere else, but then she told me this was her part-time job, I was like ok. So, without any further thoughts, I went to her office with her. To be honest I was so impressed by the Estebel SPA, Lampe Berger thingy which she claimed are all artistic product and also E.P cosmetic products. They did a T-up, and she asked her other fren to explain how this "investment" works. Juz like what they all claimed when they first arrived at the office, I know straight away it's a direct selling business juz that a lil diff from what I used to know.

With a lot of sweet sweet talks, they keep telling me how other hav successed through this business, and we should look at it in a different way. a new and modern way of doing things. They told me not to tell my family, and also my closest one - My hubby that I am in this business, as this will affect my perception towards DCHL, and also they told me not to tell anyone unless u have learned anything as ppl will encourage me to stop becuz they think this is a lie. Ok ~ I was convinced, and I seriusly don think of telling my own hubby that I'm gonna spend RM2.5 k on this membership franchise thingy, which I think would shocked him. So ~ after a few hours of talk they, and discussing the marketing plan from Franchise >Baron> Count>Marquis they finally asked

:"So what do you think? is this a good plan...?"

"Yep.. it's good."

" What are you waiting for, sign the form and u'll be part of us!"

"Well..ok." (without much thinking."

"But then, how much are u willing to invest?"

(I was thinking of saying RM10.00 ...) "I donno.."

*scribble scribble* and they started to telling me that initially I have to put in RM2.5 k. I was like WHAT THE HECK!!!!!!

IF IT WAS RM50-100 I WOULD SERIOUSLY THINK OF JOINING BUT RM2,500 THAT IS A BIG DEAL TO ME DUDE! AND U KNOW WHAT, THE THING THAT I SO ANGRY OF IS THAT THEY DON, YES THEY DON EVEN THINK OF YOUR SITUATION BEFORE ASKING YOU TO JOIN, WITHOUT EVEN MENTIONING THE RM2.5 K TO YOU BEFORE HAND AND THEY SERIOUSLY DON GIVE A DAMN OF UR FINANCIAL SITUATION. I TO.LD THEM I WNT BE ABLE TO PAY THEM IN THAT SHORT PERIOD OF TIME BUT THEY DON GIVE A SHIT..YA..DON GIVE A SHIT. THEY JUST GO ON INSISTING THAT I HAV TO CLEAR MY PAYMENTS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO THEY CAN START TEACHING THEIR SHIT DAMN THING. FOR GOD'S SAKE IM JUZ A GODAMN STUDENT FOR UR INFO.. I FEEL LIKE SCREAMING THIS IN THEIR HEADS N FACES!!!!!

Ok ~ I donno why, mayb cuz all their brainwashing techniques I was so dazed, slip into the fantasy land and pay them RM400. ok..
after that my fren invited me to a roadshow and they recommended me to join this promo pack, facial treatment where i can get this blablabla package which cost about S$250 and the marquis gave me another extra foc spa treatment.. ok it wasnt bad, I signed up! but then, they invited me to this R&R in KL which after that I was told i'd have to pay RM50 for the entrance and I've brought along my hubby, which he thought was a trip to KL for fun. It seriously exhaust our energy sitting few hours in the stadium for the recognition thingy. i've to slipped out a few times to pee and to cigarettes with my hubby ~ not to mention it was so boring, for someone who hasn't involved like me and for my hubby who don even hav a clue of wat's goin on, it was as torture. He has to pay RM50 for the entrance fee and he thinks its a waste of money and time!!!!!!! We were schedule to leave at 6pm but ended at 8pm, ok ... I don blame them and most importantly, when we arrive S'pore it was already 2.00am in the morning. My hubby was sososossososososo pissed off!!!! and we had our arguement, and I was lucky he's still talking to me today!!!]

What im trying to say is.. they are targetting teens or youngster like me who are naive and think that money drop from the sky. It's not impossible u see, juz that the way they ask me for the membership fees and not listening to wat I'm trying to tell them that I'm a total helpless student, althou married but my husband's salary is just enough to feed us for a month. (Ya.. we survive on instant noodle and pipe water) they are not considerate about ur situation. and calling themselves tryin to help???? cmon, if u're trying to help, why not target those rich ppl / at least sponsor half of my subcription fees???????

Btw, i'm thinking of quitting once my upline come back. I'm gonna tell her I don wana get involved, and it doesn't matter if she said the 400 is not refundable. I juz wanna finish my special promo spa treatment and make an end to this! Thus, I don hav any other time to waste. I wan to spare time with my hubby and studies. Is this possible? I hav signed the application form, and gave her RM400, and I've also signed for the spa treatment package, can I back off now? I need to know.. thankx

I leave the evaluation to you after reading this e-mail. It is nothing new to me.
I gave her a big guide on how about she can go with to back-off while she can.
Decision is up to her and if she is earning big bucks now, I shall wish her all the best.

Not Right for Muslims?

I received yet another mail after the previous one on Jan 17th 1321 hours.

This time, his point of view is that it is not right for Muslims to earn the money
in the way how Lampe Berger/DCHL is running their business aka pyramid scheme.

Read...

Hello and very good day to you, I am new to this LB things... I just
joined this crap for a couple of weeks, but as time goes by i can feel
something amiss in the company. When I started went to their events, I
feel like I was in a concert not a professional or formal event
although it's compulsory to wear a formal attire. Then yesterday I
asked one of my marquis challenger, "What will happen if my downline
do not search for ppl to be their downline?". He answer something that
out of question, but I asked him again the same question. He answered
that I will not get anything. It's mean that I will get something if
and only if my freaking network is expanded. So from my point of view
as a muslim, the money that I got is not right and it is illegal
because of the pyramid scheme.

I have use one of the lamp and the oil, so how do I act to get my refund?
Thanks

Deathly Hollow

My say would be, in every business/ job you don't work hard, you don't gain. Simple.
But in this Lampe Berger business run by DCHL/RZ Corporation/Steven Yeam
Network, it is to me UNETHICAL and therefore my advice is, think twice before joining.

On the matter of whether it is illegal or not for Muslims to earn from this "pyramid scheme"
it is not me to judge, but it is for all you Muslim people out there to judge it for yourself.
You know your religion better than me. Be it "Hadhari" or not. I will not touch on that.

DCHL KUCHING SCAM!!

Another mail from a reader on 18th January 0421AM.

This reader sent me the mail about DCHL in Kuching. Yes, they are all over the
map in Malaysia. I bet they would use the word "poor" to make these people who is
indeed not so rich to gain riches by "investing" in DCHL.

Read on, it is going to be a very long e-mail.

Dear Sir,

I wish to tell you my story of DCHL Kuching Sarawak. I almost got cheated by these people (who called them self Marquis Faizal) and all of his underlings for giving me false information regarding their company.

DCHL was introduced by my long time schoolmate. She informed me that I can make money without breaking a sweat by helping people.

My friend asked me to go have dinner with DCHL members to see how their life have change.

So, I followed my friends to have dinner with DCHL members. All seems happy with their life. Their introduce me to other people. Then I started talking with the DCHL members.

They told me that they earn twice the income they earn each month compare working with a company.

Then I asked them couple of questions.

1. Do I have to sell products?
They said we do investment. Not selling products. I become more interested with the investment plan.

2. Do I have to recruit people in order for me to make money?
They said, we dont find people. We help people who really needs it.

3. How much money do I need to invest? They said RM2,500.00.

4. Do I get my investment back? They said yes, you do get your investment back.

5. If my uncle want to join and put RM 2,500.00 and doesnt want to find people. Will he still receive money? They DCHL members said, he will get RM200 per month.

I was so happy and I wanted to join so I can help myself and my friends who needs it.

Then one of my friend told me to becareful and advice me to call KL branch.

When I called KL branch about it and ask them about the investment. They told me there is no such thing. I was suprise by it that it is not an investment company. I was quite shock.

Then I told them why I was informed that it is an investment at the first place. They told me that DCHL is involved in direct selling and members earn from the commission on the product that they have sold.

I asked them, what about the RM 2,500.00?!?!?

The DCHL KL hotline said, the RM 2,500 include registration fee and the product number from 1 - 6, which cost more than RM 2,000.00.

I was quite furious with the false information that DCHL Kuching members has given me.

I decided to go to main office to investigate more. I was educated by one of the qualified members about the investment.

I took couple of minutes to explain everything. Things started to go from bad to worst when it comes to registration fee. He asked me to join as soon as possible. I said I can get my money at the end of the month. The members convience me to borrow money from friends and told me not to told them about the business?!?!?

Then later he told me that I can make more money by becoming a count as soon as possible in order not be taken over by people who is under me and I will not lose my profit. He told me that being a count is better than being a baron. He told me that I have to invest RM 40,000.00 as soon as possible.

Then, I asked him again who sold the product? He told me that DCHL dont do direct selling but investment. He also told me that DCHL Kuching has their own marketing plan and doesnt follow KL marketing plan. DCHL Kuching is independant and doesnt rely on KL. This was told to me by many marquises in Kuching (Lady own a skyline and a guy (Faizal) who own a celica).

Later I found out that there is alot of victims (most of them students) occur in UNIMAS (University of Sarawak).

A housemate of mine told me his friend (Marquis) run away from Kuching and stay in KL due to people looking for him leaving his parents behind to settle his problems.

Please help me to put stop into this. One of my friend has spent RM40,000+ using her parents money, which come from their saving retirement money. She tought it is an investment. I tried to tell her about it but refuse to believe me.

I realise that DCHL members relies on registration money and also RM 40,000 investment on becoming a count status.

PLEASE!! PUT A STOP INTO THIS!!!

Brother-In-Law a Hardcore Believer of DCHL/Lampe Berger/SYN

Early of the year, I've already received e-mail from people in distress pertaining to
DCHL/Lampe Berger/SYN. Up to date in January, I've received FIVE e-mails, each
with their own side of story to tell. Whether it is true, it is up to you all to just.

I hope all these e-mails would serve as an alternative point of view towards this so
called "investment" business. Many in the comments as "anonymous" condemns my
blog here for defamation and also how much I am tarnishing their business' name.
Well.. my anonymous friends out there who condemns my work here. Please have
an open mind when you read this blog. I don't totally say this business doesn't work.
I am just outreaching to the people out there to know how unethical a few many of
DCHL/Lampe Berger/SYN distributor could be just to lure anyone into the business
to be rich which I think it is just SELFISH.
Don't give me the bullshit of "helping others to be successful"!
Companies out there, thousands of them are also helping others to be successful..!

Here is an e-mail this lady sent to me on 3rd Jan08 at 1104 and it reads as follow:

Hi there,

My brother-in-law is currently so into this SYN/LB thingy. He made his wife
quit work to concentrate on this business (well, it's kinda ok coz the wife
is earning less than (rm2K, so at least she's not giving up a 'career'). I
do think it all works well for people who sacrifices like crazy in order to
get the-promised-$$$.

However, what I see is that the so-called business is marred by a lot of
deceptions. And I echo your comments on this SYN/LB is not a business. It
is a recruitment agency more-like-it. I noticed that when people join this
network, they all speak the same, act the same. For instance:
My brother-in-law was willing to get a personal loan of RM17K for a
Honda Odyssey downpayment. He came to us to borrow that amount of
money and when we asked 3 reasons why he needs a Honda Odyssey vs
Naza Ria for his growing family, the following are the reasons he gave us:
We need to buy this super luxury car in order to lure prospects to
believe that they can achieve their dreams in a matter of 3 months (I
think if your dream is just big and fast cars, you're truly pathetic)
We need this car to show-off our 'success'
We need this car because we're gonna have our 4th kid
I think out of all the 3 reasons, only the final reason is valid
eventhough you can achieve it by getting a much cheaper MPV.....I don't
know.
They say in order to make money, you've got to invest first.....but
RM30+K? He actually downed all of his hard-earned money in total belief
that he could retire when he's 40 (he's currently 35). They never tried
to convince us to join (we're professionals and proud of it: I'm a
software engineer and my hubby a doctor) and we totally believe that we
can achieve financial freedom by 45, not super rich......but financially
free. I think these are the people who get lured into this trap by greed
(on their part) and promises and hope (on SYN/LB part)
My brother-in-law's wife gave birth and her upline came to her house to
visit. At the end of the visit, she asked her when she's able to start
again.....for Pete's sake, she has just given birth! All they live by is
their business and nothing else. Is this called financially free?
They started boasting like they have all the money in the world. But
when I suggested that we could do 'aqiqah' (an Islamic practice) for my
daughter (I just got my newborn as well) and their son together. They
said, wait. They've got other things to do. It's just so strange....if
they have all the money in the world, the cost for aqiqah and kenduri
shouldn't be much of a problem, right?

I don't think all MLM is a scam, but this looks like one. The reason I am
saying that it is a scam is because they swear by the products but don't
even sell their products. The 'business' evolves around 'selling' dreams.
For the sake of my brother-in-law and his growing family, I would pray
that the economy booms at least of the next few years, because all it needs
is for ONE economy crisis and there goes their business......coz who is
willing to scrape the barrel to invest in lampu burger?

I wish all those who believe in this dream luck....coz that's all they need
to sustain themselves in the la-la land (land of glory?....NOT!)

What a great year to start huh?
Come on people.. give your two cents to this lady..

Happy New Year 2008

Dear readers and friends,

Would like to wish all of you Happy New Year 2008.

Let's see what holds for year 2008 for DCHL/ Lampe Berger and the whole of Steven Yeam
team.

We from Lampe Berger Help would like to see how many we can actually save from this
"scam" that many people whom themselves also admitted with their claim on this business.

IT IS A SCAM.

So, again.. Happy New Year 2008 and let's just begin our great year without this business.. ;)

Wrong Perception on Lampe Berger Help

Many people who are pro-SYN/DCHL/Lampe Berger has got my blog wrong.

More or less, they are saying that I label their Multi Level Marketing (MLM)
"business" a scam. Look, what I mean by scam is

1) They unethical way you are running the whole "business" by merely asking
people to join but not to sell. Simple words, you put recruitment as your source
of income, but not selling. (Don't give me the bull of selling dreams and freedom)

2) The many people who got "cheated" in a way that this whole "business" thing
can work. But in actual fact, it is a "business" of recruitment instead of selling.

3) I guess, this blog of mine, and me being a "victim" of this kind of "scam" has
helped many, if not, a whole lot of people to really realize things they might face
from all these SYN/DCHL/Lampe Berger "business"

To me, what I am doing is "noble". ;) I'm helping others to understand MLM
By understanding MLM, one can thus decide whether he/she wants to go ahead
and pursue it as a "business" or "career".

To pro-SYN/DCHL/Lampe Berger peeps. Inevitably, no matter what I write here
your business is still booming, I guess. SYN just held their 7th International
Members Exchange here in Malaysia on the weekend of 7th September 2007.

Congrats goes to many who has garnered success and earn a living out of it.
But for how long?

An EX SYN IDOL said

Mr Anonymous at 12:29am

I totally agreed with you. I were a Marquis before and were promised of many things from my upline. I paid for NDO, IME in Malaysia and last year in Singapore. I even went with them to Club Med, Cherating. At the end I found out from a secret training in Genting that most Marquis don't make money. Look carefully at the Marketing Plan of DCHL. Ask them to explain to you. You don't make money. Don't get yourself brainwash but the WHOHA.

Which is to some extend is true! I've got many people who told me the same as
EX SYN IDOL.

Some comments extracted for your viewing pleasure

Anonymous 18/09/07

anyhow..i want to interrupt here. if it is a scam, then why it is recognized by our own PM, Pak Lah and arwah Datin Seri Endon was once Ed Pinaud (DCHL product) user?
plus..it is legally under Direct Sales Act 1993. SYN focuses in network marketing under direct sales.. what's wrong with the Act of Direct Sales 1993?u think Malaysian Law was wrong?

weirdo_ss said...

thank god i didnt join this network . i went to their hq for 2 times went to their NDO conference (which my friend paid the fee for me.... haha poor my little friend) but still i didnt see any business , what i saw is only a system that only ppl that want to be rich not the product . What i hated the most is they give ppl hope . they said mlm is the way of the future wtf can u imagine all things u want to buy u must be a member of a mlm company ? BULLSHIT . I dont think that mlm have a future . BTW , the brainwashing session almost pulled me in but thanks to my nature of laziness and stubborn .cheers

Anonymous said...

dr hari
i'm from malaysia.
i had join this syn company for about 2 weeks as a francisiey
but after attending ime(international member exchange) held on 9th september 2007 at sunway lagoon,malaysia.i felt that i was cheated by this network.now, i don't know what to do?
because there are policeman also involved in this company.
please help me....
i need your advise
contact me at my email
syazreen_syahirah@yahoo.co.uk
my phone number 017-5807962.thank tou for your concern

I will update later on, on Indonesian Market Review...

Brutal Approach by Lampe Berger Lady

Wow, I find this e-mail the most serious one in recent months.

Read on how this girl by the name of evi complaints about her brother's
ordeal with his upline by the name of Shannel Lung. (she still in LB?)

I shall post the e-mail here. You guys read and judge...

hi,i don't know write complaining letter to you is it wrong or should be other person, but i really no idea i should tell in lampe berger company that have power to settle problem. let me intro myself..i m a college student.i wrote this e mail for u is for complain about lampe berger system.my brother is a member of D.C.H.L lampe berger for 2 years but he not really want to become a member of D.C.H.L, he has been forced by the another D.C.H.L member call shannel lung from Malaysia, sabah.

Thing happen 2 years ago,the lady said just ask my brother to sign the form as a member using my brother name but she use her own money to buy the product and member fee because she want to get point.My brother just follow want she need and do it for her.
After 1 month, she come and look for my brother and asked for money.My brother so suprise why he need to RM2000++ for the product and the member fee? she said he signed the form mean agree to become a member and take all the product, and my brother just fresh school how come got alot money to pay for it.

The lady said if he don't want to pay for it, she give 2 choices for my brother, 1 is ask 1 guy to hit him or she slap my brother gace in front of alot people to settle it.My brother is a very easy coward person, he want to settle it faster then call many friends borrow money from them to settle it.
before for that he tried to go the lady company to ask for cancel, but she was there and tell the other manager don't let him cancel and must pay for it because she help company earn alot money and company must help her back.
My brother tried to find other brances of lampe berger copmpany and tell them what happen.They said the lady doing business is like that, because they are not the same brance, they can't do anything.

Actually i don't want to write this e mail for you, but same thing happen again with my friend.Please to stop that lady to do the same action to other people.

thank you very much.

evi

Am I now accusing anything on DCHL/Lampe Berger/ Steven Yeam Network?
Nope... Sorry.. It is the real brutal truth e-mail that I receive and it is to tell
other people out there that ALTHOUGH the business helps a lot of people,
but due to some un-ethical "business" people in this Multi Level Marketing
company DCHL/Steven Yeam Network/ RZ Corporation selling mostly Lampe
Berger is really killing the un-aware society.

Those who wants to get into the business, think twice!
Think twice of your later approach and tactics in the business!
Think twice if it is you who are being approached in that kinda situation!

Listen to ALL ANTI-Lampe Berger!!

Mr. Anonymous got something to tell you all...

Number One

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "On SPOTLIGHT..!!":

To ppl who anti lb:u al lik a no brain ppl.do u al hav c they p their propect??pls keep ur mouth shut!!u din manage to earn more money then dun stop ppl who wan to earn money.Coz malaysia hav lik u al tis ppl,no wonder u al r poor 4ever.pls hav a proof 1st then talk the other ppl.

Posted by Anonymous to Lampe Berger Help at 30/7/07 7:01 PM

Number Two

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "On SPOTLIGHT..!!":

To al anti LB:u al dun knw how to b a human,then how u al can be successful 1 day??want to success must be patient.which have ppl lik u al??LB is a good career.want to earn more money of couse must walk a tough journey,if u al dun wan to walk tis journey then i suggest u al go to sell drug coz it can make u al earn a fast money.Is u al din understand LB.pls dun use ur ear as a eye.if u al want lik tat then i suggest u al donate u eye 2 more needed ppl.maybe is u al eye r not suitable 4 u al then u al better donate it to more needed person.wat u al said is u al din understand so u al will act like an animal,juz know how to saying people.Pls la!!so FM!!no wonder u al alwaz r worrying about ur money.

Posted by Anonymous to Lampe Berger Help at 30/7/07 7:29 PM

Heh.. please read the disclaimer and read all the post from the beginning.
Don't just post without knowing the whole truth about this blog!

Thanks bro!

A CULT in QuestNet?

Wow, there is a "CULT" in QuestNet. I guess, every MLM needs to survive
on this "CULT". What kinda "CULT"? I don't know. Many kinds.

"Worship" their leaders la, "Worship" their top earners la, and more..

An anonymous reader left a insightful comment in our earlier post
Sister SHOCKED, now FAINTING...

Her comments on the outcome of her relationship because of QuestNet
and not only hers but others as well took me a step back to really ask,
"Why on earth we have these kinda people?" I guess maybe that the
term "Ying" and "Yang" must exist everywhere.. Good and Bad..

Read it for yourself and judge the business by yourself..
______________________________________________________

Like Samantha88, my Ex is also involved in this MLM Biz - OuestNet to be exact. Yeap! He, too, changed from nice guy I once knew to someone I no longer respect. He even accused me for being untrustworthy because I refused to stand by him and join QI! He ended our relationship for another girl because she is also in the Biz but I know too well he is just cheating himself from his own behaviours. Well, I don mind coz the girl is a ... (wild type) and perhaps he deserved a girl like that as he ain't so good himself now!

He even said his family members all 'ganged up' on him because they ADVICED him to leave the Biz which he never did even when the Dato' was arrested! Gosh! How can one even say that about his own family who love him so much?! I really feel sad and sorry for Uncle and Aunty. I tried too but he won't listen to me too. So sorry! I pity him too ....

What scares me the most now is that they use "religious teaching' and quotes from the Bible (no offence to Christianity, please!)to brainwash people!! All religions are GOOD but this is misused of people's faith and i hope good Christians or any religion followers, please oh please stood up and clear your religion's name. These people seem to behave like a CULT now!! In some of their meetings, they call each other brothers and sisters and their 'faith' and trust for their leaders are as strong as one's trust for their preachers, pastors or fathers!

They blamed and accused the media for 'lying' about the arrest of their leaders too! The press can't simply publish without truth! But they are all blinded by all the beautiful promises by their leaders and also the images they've painted in their dream. I even saw many of them quitting their highly paid and stable jobs to do this Biz fulltime. Gee... is it really that different from working with a company? Isn't it the same as these people are also doing the 'selling' and 'recruiting' of people (downlines) for a company too, only that they don't have to go to a office because there isn't any?

Although I am not against MLM and how one gets rich but please do your Biz with good ethics and high morales. I pray that God will help these people see the harm and hurt they have caused to they loved one. May God forgive these cheaters and family breakers. You can dream and make a better future without sacrifying relationships with your family and friends.

If anyone have a solution to help these people, please generously share with us here who desperately trying to 'save' those we love. Thank you in advance.

_______________________________________________________

Like what she said, you've got a solution to help. Share with us!
I've done my part.. YOU?

Lampe Berger in Indonesia

Lampe Berger Help recently received an e-mail from Bram in Indonesia.

Dear sir,
i am sorry to disturb you with this email
My name is Bram, i am an indonesian lives in Jakarta
I read your blog http://lampebergerhelp.blogspot.com/ due to my research about the LB business
They do everyone here very intense and i think your blog is very big help for us to be objective
I like to ask if you have any testimonial or story about LB in Indonesia.

Thank You

Bram

My Reply

Bram,

I do not have any Indonesian writing to me about their case.

Maybe you could help me source for some news?
You have any forums or blogs that I can make my presence there?
Is Indonesia facing the same trauma as to Malaysians with LB?

Rgds,
LBHELP

hi
thansk for the respon.
Sorry i have no source about LB in indonesia, thats way i was looking at your site.
As long as i know Indonesia has no trauma yet with LB and i need some experience from others who have experiences on this
Maybe you can share yours to me..?
thanks

Any news from Indonesia? So far, I think Lampe Berger and SYN has not
really caused any big hoo-haa in Indonesia. If there is, I'm sure to pick
up something from there as I see, I have Indonesian readers here too.

Bel Air Malaysia

First encounter few days ago, I saw the Bel Air operations center at
UOA Jalan Pinang close down. It is either they are moving or they
have gone BUST!!

I don't know. Anyone of you knows about it?

If you know anything about the operations update of Bel Air Malaysia,
please e-mail me at lampebergerhelp@gmail.com

It would be great for others to know.
Not trying to pin-point their bad news, but well, i think news will always
be news. Everyone sure will be interested to know ;)

UPDATE: 14/06/07

Did they changed their address?

No. 36 Jalan Ss21/39 Damansara Utama
47000 Petaling Jaya, Selangor

t: 603-77253536

f: 603-77253539

w: None Supplied

e: None Supplied

Is this even their new address? Heh.. someone? anyone?

DCHL/Lampe Berger Policy Update

Update towards my earlier post below.

I would like to update this new notice which was published in
DCHL Website earlier this year in February 15.

I'm sure to shock a lot of readers and those who e-mailed recently.

Here goes... look at item number 2. PRODUCTS BUY BACK POLICY


Yes. its 3 Months NOT 6 Months anymore...

Oh wells.. smart DCHL.. very smart.. pray for those who are affected.

LB Help!! I want to REFUND

Hey LBHelp friends...

Over the past few weeks, I have been receiving e-mails on how to refund
their membership and products and claim back whatever that is left behind.

Received an e-mail from a frustrated Lampe Berger member. Read:

Hi,

I was just browsing thru the internet trying to find answers for my questions. and suddenlly ur site just appear on the screen.

I am once an LB member...and sad to say I still am, although I haven't go to the office for nearly 10 months now. I've also been thinking about refunding all my products coz I'm having a hell time paying all my loans.

At first I asked my upline about how to refund. bad move. said that altho I refund, i had to pay for all the commissions that I've received during my countship. and they dun even consult me on what I'm purchasing...now I've realized that half of my products are unreturnable....

now I am working...(I was an undergrad student when I was sought out to join LB)...and I am really annoyed that more than half of my salary goes to pay my loan...instead of getting myself my own car....

My parents constantly reminding me of my loans and bugging me to pay them (they come to my house to persuade my folks to invest in the 30K scheme) coz I borrowed money from relative and have to pay them....I am being tortured enuf by my parents about this mistake.

please help me get my money back (refund)...

when I said about my upline not consulting what I bought, I did check the list again and asked about those unreturnable products, they told me that it is neccessary to buy them coz its easier when distributing it to my "downline".

LB Help: Its a trick and excuse to get you blinded over the terms & conditions that you never read propoerly.

regards,
frustrated

I have a few more e-mails that reads...

E-mail 2

Hi Stecven,

I join DCHL - SYN as Baron 2 months. I planning to quit. But I don't know what should I write in the letter. Do you have example for it?

Joining this business is on my own. I don't blame my upline or others for introduce this business to me. Ermm... you have example of "polite" termination letter? Thanks!

Lim

I assume he thinks I'm Steven Yeam hahaha.

E-mail 3

Hi LAMPE BERGER HELP,

I join now near 3 months, I'm thinking of quitting before my refund policy date end (That's 3 months). I like to write a letter for my termination. Do you know any good example for it. Because I don't want blame the company nor my upline. It's my fault being naive. I have put alot time on it... I know I only can get 90% of it. It's better than none. Can you help me?

Regards,
Sabrina

Hmm... they all asked me the same question. How do I go about with the
refund of my products and membership. My answer is simple.

I made a post last year in August 06: GET YOUR FULL REFUND and also
in March 06: Solutions to Re-Funds. Go and have a read.

I think, Solutions to Re-Funds suits you all who e-mailed me. Read up! :)

Their corporate addresses are listed HERE or alternatively;

RZ Corporation
Level 1, Menara HLA,
No.3 Jalan Kia Peng,
50450 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
TEL : 603 2162 9068
FAX : 603 2162 9193
Email: csd@dchl.com.my

Think Before You Join DCHL/LB/SYN/RZ..etc

That's my only wise words to you all out there..
It all depends on what path you want to choose in your life..

If you are not afraid of losing friends, losing hope, breaking down most
of the time when you just can't sell "dreams", recruits or sell the LB
products, then think again of joining the DCHL/LB/SYN or any other
MLM industry similar to Lampe Berger.

When I say similar, it means, "investing" a large amount of money from
either RM 2,500 till RM 30,000 ++ to purchase a the products and
then retail it back to friends and families by either selling it to them or
bringing them into the business just like you.

Let Mr. Donovan tell you more on what he thinks.

Hey lampebergerhelp,

I came across your blog by chance and I truly admire that someone like you
is really not afraid to speak up your mind for what is right to the society.
What I am about to write, I hope you will post it on your blog for other
readers to read.

One of my friend who is an LB member brought me to his company annual dinner
at Sunway Hotel, and that is when I get to know about Lampe Berger. Many of
their members seem so friendly with me.. but for what purpose? To persuade
me to pay them money to join their LB scheme of course. One of their top
'convincer' talked to me and said things like "you join our business, this
is like a gift for your girlfriend. You earn more money to make your
girlfriend happy". Smart talk right? I was almost pulled

At first I was almost convinced to join Lampe Berger since they keep telling
me stories about how some of their members become succesful and earn 6-digit
salaries by joining Lampe Berger. I argued with my father to give me RM2.5k
to join, but luckily he was stubborn. I want to have money, and everyone
does... that's why there are some people who are still blinded by these LB
scheme.

After a long and hard thinking for a few days, I came up with my own
conclusion which I warned to some of my friends, and it's effective. You
see... Lampe Berger is not really a scam, but an unethical scheme. You CAN
earn lots of money by investing RM2.5k or RM30k into the business. But at
what cost?

Do the people who join Lampe Berger ever think about who are they going to
invite into this scheme? Obviously the best people they can invite to join
them are FRIENDS who trust them. You don't go around and simply ask
strangers to give you RM2.5k rite?
But what happens if your friend invested in RM2.5k but they didn't make it?
They start to blame you... they start losing their trust in you.. they avoid
themselves from you and so are your other friends. Yeah sure, go ahead and
earn money by asking your FRIENDS to join and get them into trouble. If you
want to make money and lose your friends and your reputation, then Lampe
berger is the best scheme for you. If money is more important than your
friends, then join the LB scheme. Go ahead and join... and see yourself
struggle to earn money by cutting down your number of friends. Because of
your greed for money, YOU GIVE UP YOUR FRIENDSHIP, which cannot be bought
back with the money you made from your unethical scheme.

I have seen some people who persuade their friends to join MLM (not only
Lampe Berger). I don't see them having so much friends around them. But in
the end after they quit their MLM, they realize how stupid they are to join
MLM at first place. My friend who tried persuading me to join LB was very
friendly, treated me nicely, spend money on me, and was close to me. After
knowing that I will not invest a single cent in his business, he stopped
seeing me.

I'm sure alot of you have heard countlessly from LB members, saying that
"you pay RM2.5k, if you never work hard, you'll lose money. If you work
hard, you will be very succesful and earn alot of money". Yeah that's true
what they said... but did you ever consider that by 'working hard' means
troubling your friends and make them lose money for the sake of your profit?
If you and your friend suceed, then bravo... but just remember that MLM is
not for everyone, and when there are some people who suceed, there are
others who fail.

In conclusion, LB is not just a 'morality scam', but also an unethical way
of doing business. Please take my advice and don't lose yourself by joining
Lampe Berger. The reason why i decided to post this is so that my friends
and you (readers) think harder before you join in ANY MLM scheme. Think of
your loved ones.

Enough said? So do i..

MLM = Scam?

Off the DCHL/SYN/Lampe Berger news...

Let's see some interesting news that gained front page news at NST.

Sunday 6th May 2007
Three Filipino partners also held at five-star hotel.

KUALA LUMPUR: A Datuk who made his millions overseas before venturing into businesses here was arrested by Indonesian police for multilevel- marketing (MLM) scams.

The man, in his 40s, was arrested with his three Filipino partners in a five-star hotel in Jakarta on Thursday night.

They were attending an international event at the Jakarta Convention Centre.

Read more HERE

In this news

The Datuk and his partners are allegedly involved in an MLM company with branches in Southeast and East Asian countries. It produces limited-edition coins and medals, jewellery and timepieces sold through network marketing.

My first guess of the company is QuestNet.
How would I guess? The keyword? limited-edition coins.

It turns out to be true.. BRAVO!!

Monday 7th May 2007
Datuk wanted in RM308m fraud case



KUALA LUMPUR: Businessman Datuk Vijayeswaran S. Vijayaratnam, who was arrested in Jakarta last week, is wanted in connection with a US$90 million (RM308m) fraud case in the Philippines.
Indonesian police are co-ordinating with their Filipino counterparts to extradite him to Quezon City where a warrant of arrest has been issued against him for a nine-year-old case.

The warrant is for fraud and conspiracy, according to the Interpol website.

The 46-year-old is the group managing director of QI Limited, which is based in Hong Kong with branches in 30 countries from Australia to Brazil. Its regional office in Malaysia is in Petaling Jaya.

Read more HERE

I do not have much to say.. but just few wise words.

No matter how big is any MLM, I mean any, I don't wanna quote any
specific ones, they ought to be something fishy behind them.
Questnet is so big, but why this thing can happen? Maybe it was an error.
An error by NST? Come on.. don't joke me...

Just do a simple google search on "MLM Lawsuit" There's your answer!

Sister SHOCKED, now FAINTING...

My last post about this case was "Sister SHOCKED with investment of 36K"
This sister came to me seeking help. I gave my wise advise, and thus now
again, I receive an e-mail from her just last week.

So, nothing more shall I speak off but to let you guys read..

it's me again.. i'm mad, confused and very frustated with my sister behaviour. I made her to promise to stop for a while thinking about the scheme until she has finished her final exam. Yes, she had promised me. But, suddenly after few days she rang my aunt asking to borrow 1K.. She has broke her promise to me.. Then my aunt got worried.. tell my mom. My mom advised her to discuss the matter with my father after she had finished her final exam. My mom even asked her to do a proper paperwork if she really wants the 36k from my father. (Well, to involve in business.. you should have a paperwork right?). She promised again to put aside for a while about this 'lamp' thing until she finished her final exam. But, again she broke her promise, willingly to go back home in the middle of the exam week.. to ask my father for 36k!! My father refused to gave her. But she insist.. at least give her 5K. You see.. how determine she is to involve with the 'lamp'?? I really don't understand. The introducer of this DCHL is friend of my brother. He said 36K is optional. But, seeing my sister behaviour, it tells you the other way. I have no more ideas how to stop her. What scaring me is if she persuade her friend, which is our neighbour, to join as well.. I'm very scared now.. I'm afraid that her friend's family will be our enemy just because of this silly thing. My father had made her to choose between her studies and the 'lamp'. She chose her studies.. but I hardly want to believe her after she broke her promises to me.
I did asked my sister to read all the blogs about DCHL,Lampeberger scam.. etc.. however all those writings in the blogs did not even a little to make her think again and stop joining. I just don't know what else to do... Pls.. if you can just help me.......

Who teaches the younger sister to borrow money from her aunty?
Who will motivate the younger sister to do so?
Who is teaching her to be so aggressive in search for money while
she is still studying and looking forward to a bright future?

These are the young and innocent people who just left high school and
started pursuing their dreams from college/university life.
Why must they be treated like that and in the end, who will suffer.
Where are the ethics?

Lampe Berger Ruled by Government?

AHAH! I've waited for the right time. I hit the jackpot.
My guess was correct. It was in matter of time they took it down.
WHAT? you are asking.. Hmmm... let me tell you what.
In Malaysia, this is a normal case. If you can't feed some people
you are gone case. But if you can, then you are in the league.

See, on the 4th April 2007 exactly 3:34 AM, samantha88 in lowyat forum
made a post #1711 where she searched the Securities Commission website
and found that the name Lampe Berger is in the list.

This post can be found in the Lampe Berger & Estebel Issues V2 thread.

This is not a made up story. When samantha88 found a truth, she posted
it in the forum straight away. In her post, you can find the full list she
copied and pasted in there. So, what's the truth?


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I gave it some time and again today I made the search. See what I've found?
It is under the Investor Alert list @ www.sc.com.my


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BRUTAL FACT! Its GONE now!


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Securities Commission have taken the Lampe Berger company out
from their list. Reason why? God only knows.

See, when Ms. X in my previous post saw this whole list last week
she was shocked and that made her not to invest anymore and the lost
of RM 250 is like nothing to her already.

And now the Securities Commission has taken down the name.
What we all want to know is WHY? E-mail sent to SC to ask for
clarification in this matter. Let's see what's their reply.

Lampe Berger peeps will say, "see this proves we are legitimate"
But the question is, if legitimate and what not, why was it up there
in the first place? why there are so many people out there who
are objecting this whole thing SO MUCH MORE than other MLMs?

Enuff said..

Next "Brainwashed by Lampe Berger"
(a sister who came to ask for help now face another trouble)

Saved by the Blog (2)

This blog has helped saved a lot of innocent poor soul by warning them
the tricks and tactics used by DCHL/Lampe Berger/SYN to lure
poor innocent people into their "get-rich investment" business plan.

We are proud to say that, the exposure from Lampe Berger Help is now
worldwide. We have readers from all the region in the world. *_*

We have recently saved an innocent soul from getting lured into
DCHL/Lampe Berger/SYN's business plan. This girl wrote a very
SUPER LONG e-mail to LB Help seeking help and advise on the
whole truth about Lampe Berger.

Absurd of Ms. X's first email to LB Help.

Until that part, I was impressed (although I didn't know her previously). On the first day of our conversation, she invited me to "her office", but I couldn't make it. So I went with her just yesterday, after work. Before that, we had lunch together and she explains to me about the business she was in. Starting from the history (all the insurance, food and water filter industry covered) and the McDonald's and everything (people who had been to LB meetings should know this) bla bla bla. The part that she always stress on is how her parents raised her, how her mother did rubber tapping to support her schooling, her father is a carpenter, and they are very poor. When she started this business, she invest 30k, and she get 100k in 2 months. She bought her mother a ring worth RM4k and her mother cried. OMG, I was really impressed.

During the lunch she asked me how much would I invest. I told her I have RM5k savings. She then came out with a story of her colleague in LB, 2 sisters who took personal loans to get RM30k. She didnt actually tell me on her marketing plan first. She just tell me stories about her success, and her colleague, and her husband's and her brother's.. To my surprise, I truly believe her. I never joined any MLM before, even my bestfriend approach me to join her in Amway and Zhulian etc etc. I'm really not into any MLM business. I don't like chasing people to join me, or persuading and convincing people to buy things. Just not my type. I never heard of LB before, but I've seen the advert board each time I drove to my office.

Then, A asked me when is the fastest that I can get the money to invest? Whoaaaa...now now, I havent said anything to her yet. I just told her than it's interesting. She told me that she invest 30k and straight away hold a high position (count?). She actually insist me on investing RM30k, my goodness! I told her I dont have a RM30k, my savings all gone. Then she asked me to fork out all my left over savings (RM5k). I already told her that it was for my rainy day, but she said i can surely get back my capital (RM5k) plus my commission in a few months. Her husband infact, made 300% commission within 6 months.

I told her i couldn't do that. Then she said, at least give her RM2700 to allow her to give me the franchisee license so that I could attend their training and everything. RM2700 is also a big amount for me as I have so many things to pay for. I told her I can't. Then she asked me to prepare RM250 by the end of the day to enable myself to join a meeting (or something like that) in a hotel this weekend. I didn't said yes to her, but I agreed to follow her to her "office" in menara HLA, without knowing that actually who goes there means that they have agreed to join.

I went there after work with A, she introduced me to her older brother, who looks like a very shy guy (he's a book worm, I can tell by his face). Then he started to talk, exactly the same thing A has told me. They convince me on how they wanted to open more market to Bumiputra (I'm Malay by the way) and sort of. Its getting late and more people coming in, its a full house. She told me about a UPM student who is making RM50k per month. I asked myself, how they did this actually.

After her brother had explain to me on the marketing plan whatsoever, she asked me if I have RM250 with me. I said yes, because I planned to pay my credit card that eve. She asked me to hand over the money to her in order for the to register me. I took the RM250, and gave to her. OMG. I think it comes with the feeling, I don't want to actually embarassed myself infront of her brother and many friends and many other people. Shit, they were all there to join, how come I could rejected it?

The way how they persuade and impress people into the business
never changed from Day 1. Hmm.. A never mentioned about how
Steven Yeam came from little Klang and ventured into Hong Kong?
hahaha oh wells, back to the

Ms. X actually went to the office and paid up RM 250 after so much
persuasion by A. To us, it is just the feeling and we all do thing following
what our heart tells us to do. Ms. X could just reject everything and
just walk away. When it comes to money, our eyes open very big, and
our jaw open wide. But when the truth is revealed, our eyes open even
BIGGER and jaw open WIDER.

Next, "Lampe Berger Ruled by Government?"

Sister SHOCKED with investment of RM 36K

So, it has been a while since i last blogged about Lampe Berger.

But I need to share one piece of news here with you.
With how these people in Digital Crown Holdings Limited (DCHL)
are running the MLM is totally ruining the life of many. Many whom
are young and innocent. Many who do not know anything about money
management and the risk of taking loan.

I received one email today by this lady questioning me the rationality
of all the investment and what-not. She was SHOCK! READ ON

Hi,
Actually I'm in shock because of my younger sister has just asking me for a loan of 36K to 'invest' in DCHL.
She has already 'invest' 2.5K (she is supposed the 'franchisee' now.. right?) and she got lampeberger stuff as her free gift.. she said. But when I check the DCHL website, to be a franchisee.. you have to sell or use the product up to 2.5K and it is not a free gift. But in her case, you pay 2.5K, get the lampberger product as free stuff. Don't you think it is little bit weird here?
After 3 days joining as franchisee level, she asking the whole family for a loan of 36K. She even suggest me to make a personal loan with the bank for her.. I believe the level that she wants is the 'Count'.
I don't know much about DCHL, and this is the first time I ever heard about it. And.. the first time I heard you need 36K to enter MLM. She and her group concept.. get more people to 'invest'..the much the better... is this what DCHL really promotes? Please.. I need an explanation... and please reply a.s.a.p..

I'm not surprise how shocked can she be. With her sister asking her
RM 36K is like asking for her life. I pity them. But why? This have
to be brought to many others, do not let your love ones fall into all
these. Investing RM 36K and wat about the returns?
What about the damage which will be made later on?

One friend i've known through this blog is asking for my help
to help her return 2 TWO! signature lamps when she invested
as Count. HOW la? I told her put it on e-bay on slashed price and
pray that they will sell.

She wrote to me because this blog is pretty much exposed outside in
the world wide web (WWW) aka Internet. Do a search of anything on
Steven Yeam Network (SYN), DCHL, Lampe Berger + scam, cheat, etc..
AND
You will end up having my blog in top 10 or top 20. Which is really good.
So, i will reply her soon enough after my lunch now ;)

IT IS JUST SYN...?? True or False??

Ad, a recent commenter said that, DCHL/Lampe Berger got nothing to do
with all the scandals and what-not.. I beg to differ.. Literraly yes they don't
but still, they are part of it.. See what Ad wrote,

ad said...

we, its NOT DCHL that scam people, it's a bunch of people, or so called "team", under the name SYN a.k.a Steven Yim Network that scams others. by stating Lampe Berger, u indirectly affiliate other innocent or ethic group of mlm team with SYN.

SYN was a shame of LB or even worse, whole MLM industry. i'm not against your, just that it seems like you haven't know whats the relationship between SYN, and DCHL/LB.

it was SYN that promise u a beemer. it was SYN that educate you dont have to sell goods. it is SYN that tells you pay for a count and find 5 people only. but SYN never tells you u have to maintain quota. it is SYN that promise you 5 figure income.

again, its SYN that exploit the system build by DCHL/LB. DCHL/LB is the distributor, while SYN is the selling channel, how SYN sells it is SYN's business, DCHL only provide the goods. how SYN wants to educate the downlines is not entirely DCHL business.

if u research more in SYN, you'll know more dirty secret what SYN had done to hong kong MLM industry.

hope this clear things up, but the damage has been done, and hope u really understand what i'm trying to say, and i can't do much clearer then that.

26/1/07 12:36 AM

My say would be, yes they are the same. DCHL acquired the license from
Lampe Berger, while Lampe Berger grants the license. So they are the same.

It it is widely known that most of the bunch that scams, cheat
and lied are from Steven Yeam Network (SYN).
In Malaysia, LB is operated under the umbrella of RZ Corporation.

RZ Corporation is under the Malaysian Direct Distributors Association (MDDA).

I guess, they are not as what they said " Ethical, Responsive, Excellence"

If RZ Corporation takes more care in their member's doing!
If DCHL/Lampe Berger does more investigation on what's going on..!
The situation would be a lot more different.

Money Mind blog on the names of MLM or business-kind scams on the
3rd January 07.

I decide to start this thread and hope some of you can update if you come across any scams or businesses of similar nature, so that we can help others from being scammed.

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